Priest Help

Priest Help

Postby Goru » July 30th, 2010, 10:10 am

Good Evening Vodka,
OK, here it is Vodka, word is that your guild is the shit. So i am including my armory link, not for recruitment, but out of curiosity. Being one of the best raiding guild out there you must have the best healers (since, we healers, make the raid.... *cough cough.. no offense to those dps out there :D :D )

So like i said here is my Armory link
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... ar&cn=Goru
please healers... butcher and breakdown my character and simply let me know if i'm on the right track. I believe i am, but your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated, hold no punches back..

I am hoping that your help will improve my game play and help with progress in ICC and Ruby Sanctum
The guild i am apart of is NoLimits on the Eonar server..

simply respond to this forum post or i can be reached at Trnnorthern@yahoo.com

Thank you and have a nice day,
-Goru
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Re: Priest Help

Postby Rab » July 30th, 2010, 12:39 pm

Your gearing isn't terrible, but it does look like you care a little to much about regen and not enough about throughput. I'd change your helm/shoulder chants from mp5 to the crit equivalent. You have a lot of SP/Spirit gems for 5 sp bonuses that probably just aren't worth it. Get the minimum amount of blue gems for your meta and then go crazy w/ SP/haste gems in all yellow/blue and even red sockets. At this level of gear, with shadowfiend and a mana pot you shouldn't have any trouble lasting through any current content. Add mana tide and/or innervate and mana stops being a concern.

This is all assuming that you play holy primarily, if you play disc primarily then you gem pure SP in all sockets. After getting your meta requirements, which I think is 2 reds anyway so yeah, all 23 SP. Bigger shields = better disc priest.

Your talents and glyphs are a bit more troubling.

Lets do disc first cause it's a bit more straightforward. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... bz&group=1 Copy that, major glyphs included. I honestly don't know what you're trying to do w/ your disc spec. Renew and improved healing? Not taking aspiration? Mana is never a concern, even if you're spamming shield on every gcd, which is pretty much what you do. Aspiration basically means that you can do all your cool stuff more often, why you wouldn't want that is just weird. The only time I use renew as disc is on tanks, if you're using a gcd anywhere else it should be a shield or PoM. Not having PW:S glyph in your disc spec is just embarrassing and you should feel ashamed.

Healing as disc is easy. Shield everything. Keep PoM on CD. Need to heal something and it has weakened soul? Penance, then flash spam until Penance is off CD or weakened soul is off. Only Gheal if you have borrowed time and Penance is on CD. Sometimes you might have to think about who you shield, like if a ghost is near your melee on Lady Deathwhisper or if there's a green ooze on PP and your melee is chasing it. However, most fights you can probably just go up and down your raid frames and do just fine as a disc priest. If you want to be really good, make sure that you have a macro to give PI to a damage caster and use it on CD.

For holy, go here: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... sia&group=
You can decide if you really want BnS, he has it for a specific fight. If you run w/ a disc priest I probably wouldn't bother but if you don't have a disc priest then I'd grab it. Pretty much the best talent in WoW and is a mini game unto itself. Before I came to Vodka I played Holy primarily in a guild w/out a disc priest and with a few people slower to react and I saved more lives using BnS in one week than I did w/ GS in a month. You'll notice that kina is renew spec which is the way to go as holy. Why you have empowered healing, test of faith and prayer of healing glyph, but not emp renew and serendipity, I'm not going to speculate. However, just forget whatever you were doing before and learn to love renew. Renew like you would shield as disc. Keep PoM on CD, tanks are always a good choice for target, when a group of people take a decent amount of damage, use CoH, then flash whoever is lowest because you almost certainly just got a SoL proc. If you know that a decent amount of burst is gonna happen that you can plan for, then stack serendipity and time a PoH to land right after the damage, follow with an immediate CoH and SoL flash, then everyone's back at full health. So basically, keep PoM and CoH on CD, spam renew and use your SoL procs wisely.

Kina's welcome to come and tell me I'm retarded or whatever, but that should cover the basics. Remember that as a healer your job is to keep the raid alive. Don't worry about meters or anything like that, healing is wow is a win/lose scenario. Either your raid is alive and you win or your raid is dead and you lose, noone gives a fuck about your HPS if they're running back from the graveyard.
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Re: Priest Help

Postby Goru » July 30th, 2010, 11:19 pm

The reason behind my Disc being completely butchered is simple...... i never play disc. I've always stayed away from serendipity because i never GH and i COMPLETELY overlooked the POH casting increase time.../facepalm. I tried B&S before and didn't really see the 1 skill point for a speed boost really necessary. Although, i will take your advice on serendipity and ill see how i like the empowered renew. I already changed a lot of my gems to SP/Haste and will continue to do so. Also, ill change my shoulder and head enchant to the sp/crit equivalent and see what happens.

I really appreciate the help and any more comments or suggestions will be noted. I'll update my progress in the next upcoming weeks. Thanks Again.

- Goru

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Re: Priest Help

Postby Rab » July 31st, 2010, 3:00 pm

Happy to help really.

As far as BnS goes I know that it seems to be a love or hate thing with a lot of the priests I talk to. With the prevalence of disc priests in most raids it's kind of a moot point, but if you have the freedom to give someone the speed burst it can be a pretty big deal. Learning to use it can also help w/ your raid awareness, if you can learn to see the fight unfolding before you instead of just reacting to raid frames. Things like seeing someone moving from a ghost on LDW, moving away from an ooze on PP, or moving away from the orb on Blood Princes. Positioning is a majorly underrated aspect of raiding for most people and negating damage by being in the right spot is good.

Like I said, you'll be surprised by the amount of people you save from doing dumb stuff by giving them BnS at the right time.

Also, our logs are public to view, the link is right up there at the top of the site. If I were you I'd look at what Kina does and see if it falls in line with what you're doing. Don't worry about numbers, worry more about % of healing done by spells, to see if you're using your spells like you should be. As for disc, it's pretty much like 90% shield and glyph of shield so that's kinda hard to mess up =P.
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Re: Priest Help

Postby Tek » August 1st, 2010, 8:23 pm

Rab wrote: Learning to use it can also help w/ your raid awareness, if you can learn to see the fight unfolding before you instead of just reacting to raid frames. Things like seeing someone moving from a ghost on LDW, moving away from an ooze on PP, or moving away from the orb on Blood Princes. Positioning is a majorly underrated aspect of raiding for most people and negating damage by being in the right spot is good.


That right there, especially, is great advice for any healer [or player in general]. I was always mediocre at healing because I just spam healed, playing whack-a-mole with grid. I got quite a bit better after I played as ret and particularly from being forced to tank, but I always found myself frustrated because of my lack of awareness and poor positioning. I could never match the skill of a player like wazzu [zyori] when it came to raiding or arenas because I started the game and continued for so long just stationary spam healing, tunneling my attention and missing the bigger picture. Impressive healers that I've seen play in the past like Kina, Sweetcharlie, and Tigerlady [go korgathians!] all had great awareness and knew where to be. Even if you have a sub-par spec, shitty glyphs, and marginal gems; nothing will make you better as quickly as paying attention, positioning correctly, and being able to anticipate where and when the damage will be spread.

Good advice Rab!
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Re: Priest Help

Postby Goru » August 1st, 2010, 11:51 pm

Ok...... here it is the new and improved Goru

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... ar&cn=Goru

Thanks for all the help, do a couple raids over the weekend but the real test is Tuesday when we start our raid. Thx for all the help. Will keep you updated on my results and again , any further advice will be taken

-Goru
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Re: Priest Help

Postby Moozhe » August 2nd, 2010, 1:24 am

Damn Rabz you should be an instructor on landsoulcoaching.com lol
wiidruid wrote:If you mess up, and someone calls you out on it what reaction can we expect from you?

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